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arm64 binaries for CedarX codecs
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Jonathan Olson
2017-07-07 16:19:15 UTC
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I see that all the video codecs for the CedarX libraries are contained in
binary libcedar_plugin_venc.so and libcedar_plugin_vd_others.so. However
the CedarX-12.06.2015 repository only contains 32-bit armv7 libraries.

Are there any 64-bit armv8 CedarX plugin libraries which could work on the
new Allwinner H5?
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Andreas Baierl
2017-07-10 06:20:37 UTC
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I see that all the video codecs for the CedarX libraries are contained
in binary libcedar_plugin_venc.so and libcedar_plugin_vd_others.so.
However the CedarX-12.06.2015 repository only contains 32-bit armv7
libraries.
Are there any 64-bit armv8 CedarX plugin libraries which could work on
the new Allwinner H5?
This community including its mailing list does not support any CedarX
libraries originating from Allwinner. Please check the wiki, starting
here: http://linux-sunxi.org/Cedar_Engine . Search for "cedrus". This is
what the community is working on/with.
And no, i don't know of any other closed source library blobs from
Allwinner. Allwinner does not care about endusers and software support
either.

Btw, people asking for and using doubtful blobs provided by Allwinner
are one of the reasons, why the open source driver seems to be stalled
for such a long time... As long as everybody is satisfied with Allwinner
stuff, there simply seems to be no need and motivation to finish that work.

Regards
Andreas
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Paul Kocialkowski
2017-07-11 07:49:03 UTC
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Post by Jonathan Olson
I see that all the video codecs for the CedarX libraries are
contained in binary libcedar_plugin_venc.so and
libcedar_plugin_vd_others.so. However the CedarX-12.06.2015
repository only contains 32-bit armv7 libraries.
Are there any 64-bit armv8 CedarX plugin libraries which could work
on the new Allwinner H5?
This community including its mailing list does not support any CedarX
libraries originating from Allwinner. Please check the wiki, starting
here: http://linux-sunxi.org/Cedar_Engine . Search for "cedrus". This
is what the community is working on/with.
And no, i don't know of any other closed source library blobs from
Allwinner. Allwinner does not care about endusers and software support
either.
Btw, people asking for and using doubtful blobs provided by Allwinner
are one of the reasons, why the open source driver seems to be stalled
for such a long time... As long as everybody is satisfied with
Allwinner stuff, there simply seems to be no need and motivation to
finish that work.
While I agree with you that this attitude goes against creating a strong
incentive for the liberation of the video engine, please keep in mind
that this is a personal decision. It is not very fair to blame someone
because they decided that they need something that works as soon as
possible, for reasons that you totally ignore and do that not concern
you in any way. Please respect other's decisions that primarily affect
themselves, even though they do have a "drop in the ocean" effect on the
big picture.

The community is indeed not providing support for any of the proprietary
mess that comes out of Allwinner, but it is not a reason to be blame
those that wish to use that. Frankly, I find this attitude a bit
disrespectful.

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Andreas Baierl
2017-07-11 08:26:34 UTC
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Post by Jonathan Olson
I see that all the video codecs for the CedarX libraries are
contained in binary libcedar_plugin_venc.so and
libcedar_plugin_vd_others.so. However the CedarX-12.06.2015
repository only contains 32-bit armv7 libraries.
Are there any 64-bit armv8 CedarX plugin libraries which could work
on the new Allwinner H5?
This community including its mailing list does not support any CedarX
libraries originating from Allwinner. Please check the wiki, starting
here: http://linux-sunxi.org/Cedar_Engine . Search for "cedrus". This
is what the community is working on/with.
And no, i don't know of any other closed source library blobs from
Allwinner. Allwinner does not care about endusers and software support
either.
Btw, people asking for and using doubtful blobs provided by Allwinner
are one of the reasons, why the open source driver seems to be stalled
for such a long time... As long as everybody is satisfied with
Allwinner stuff, there simply seems to be no need and motivation to
finish that work.
While I agree with you that this attitude goes against creating a strong
incentive for the liberation of the video engine, please keep in mind
that this is a personal decision. It is not very fair to blame someone
because they decided that they need something that works as soon as
possible, for reasons that you totally ignore and do that not concern
you in any way. Please respect other's decisions that primarily affect
themselves, even though they do have a "drop in the ocean" effect on the
big picture.
The community is indeed not providing support for any of the proprietary
mess that comes out of Allwinner, but it is not a reason to be blame
those that wish to use that. Frankly, I find this attitude a bit
disrespectful.
It is indeed a personal decision primarily. And it was not my intention
to blame anyone at all. It's everybody's own choice to choose the way to
go forward.
Btw, as i began to start dealing with Allwinner i also used the blobs to
get XBMC run. I never cared about GPL and the community (which was in
the beginning, though). I just wanted to have something, that works. As
soon as possible. But my mind changed during times...

The reason, why i answer on such postings at all is, because i think,
that there are many people - call them endusers - outside, that do not
even know about cedrus and about the Allwinner story regarding CedarX at
all. My only goal is, to draw at least a part of the big picture.

Every individual can do what it wants. Questions like the above pop up
every ~ half year, but i can't remember any question at all, that states
like "How is the cedrus open source effort going on? Will there ever be
a kernel driver for the video engine? I'd prefer that instead of using
Allwinner blobs. But sadly, for my purpose, i have to go with Allwinner..."

In summary, i should have better answered:
"No, i don't know of any 64bit libraries, but you can try to use
libvdpau-sunxi. What is your goal at all?"

I did it the other way, but it was not my intention to blame anyone.

Regards
Andreas
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Paul Kocialkowski
2017-07-11 08:34:03 UTC
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Post by Jonathan Olson
I see that all the video codecs for the CedarX libraries are
contained in binary libcedar_plugin_venc.so and
libcedar_plugin_vd_others.so. However the CedarX-12.06.2015
repository only contains 32-bit armv7 libraries.
Are there any 64-bit armv8 CedarX plugin libraries which could work
on the new Allwinner H5?
This community including its mailing list does not support any CedarX
libraries originating from Allwinner. Please check the wiki, starting
here: http://linux-sunxi.org/Cedar_Engine . Search for "cedrus". This
is what the community is working on/with.
And no, i don't know of any other closed source library blobs from
Allwinner. Allwinner does not care about endusers and software support
either.
Btw, people asking for and using doubtful blobs provided by Allwinner
are one of the reasons, why the open source driver seems to be stalled
for such a long time... As long as everybody is satisfied with
Allwinner stuff, there simply seems to be no need and motivation to
finish that work.
While I agree with you that this attitude goes against creating a strong
incentive for the liberation of the video engine, please keep in mind
that this is a personal decision. It is not very fair to blame someone
because they decided that they need something that works as soon as
possible, for reasons that you totally ignore and do that not concern
you in any way. Please respect other's decisions that primarily affect
themselves, even though they do have a "drop in the ocean" effect on the
big picture.
The community is indeed not providing support for any of the
proprietary
mess that comes out of Allwinner, but it is not a reason to be blame
those that wish to use that. Frankly, I find this attitude a bit
disrespectful.
It is indeed a personal decision primarily. And it was not my
intention
to blame anyone at all. It's everybody's own choice to choose the way to
go forward.
Btw, as i began to start dealing with Allwinner i also used the blobs to
get XBMC run. I never cared about GPL and the community (which was in
the beginning, though). I just wanted to have something, that works. As
soon as possible. But my mind changed during times...
The reason, why i answer on such postings at all is, because i think,
that there are many people - call them endusers - outside, that do not
even know about cedrus and about the Allwinner story regarding CedarX at
all. My only goal is, to draw at least a part of the big picture.
Yes, it is a quite useful thing to do.
Post by Andreas Baierl
Every individual can do what it wants. Questions like the above pop up
every ~ half year, but i can't remember any question at all, that states
like "How is the cedrus open source effort going on? Will there ever be
a kernel driver for the video engine? I'd prefer that instead of using
Allwinner blobs. But sadly, for my purpose, i have to go with
Allwinner..."
"No, i don't know of any 64bit libraries, but you can try to use
libvdpau-sunxi. What is your goal at all?"
I did it the other way, but it was not my intention to blame anyone.
Well, I think I was a bit harsh in my answer, too. What I wanted to do
is take the occasion to point out is the attitude in general because it
felt like you were leaning towards it a bit, but now I see that you
obviously didn't go as far as really blaming them.

I mostly took the opportunity to express this concern, which I whitness
more and more often.

Thanks for clarifying things and I'm glad you didn't take my (harsh)
answer the wrong way!
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Paul Kocialkowski,

developer of free digital technology and hardware support

Website: https://www.paulk.fr/
Coding blog: https://code.paulk.fr/
Git repositories: https://git.paulk.fr/ https://git.code.paulk.fr/
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